From: Phil!Gregory Date: 17:37 on 12 Aug 2005 Subject: Delphi's Type-Bondage Hey, here's an idea. Let's make a language that forces the program to adhere to extremely rigid variable typing rules. That way, we can force the programmer to never shoot himself in the foot. Oh, but the whole bondage and discipline approach to typing won't make him hate us enough. Let's also introduce just enough type interchangeability to break anything where he might try to use the type strictness to his benefit. Well, it works. I hate them. I have to read a series of database fields into a series of variables. Except for the types of the variables, the process is the same for all of the fields. I'd love to have just one function to call on all of them; it would make things very simple. Delphi thinks differently. There's no way to to hand a function a variable of an arbitrary type and have it do the right thing; the compiler won't allow it. The best I can do is to keep track of the data types myself and pass an extra value into the function to tell it what the type of the destination variable is. "But wait!" you cry (maybe). "You can use overloaded functions and inheritance and stuff!" Or, at least, that's what I though to myself. But, while Delphi is ever-so-strict about keeping different types separate, if one type is defined in terms of another (TDateTime is really a Double, for instance), overloaded functions _cannot tell the difference between them_. Go, Delphi, giving me the worst of all possible worlds.  To the point where this is illegal code: var arr1 : array[1..10] of Integer; arr2 : array[1..10] of Integer; begin arr1 := arr2 because the compiler considers arr1 and arr2 to be of different types.
From: Robert G. Werner Date: 22:31 on 12 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Delphi's Type-Bondage Phil!Gregory wrote: [snip] > Go, Delphi, giving me the worst of all possible worlds. > > >  To the point where this is illegal code: > > var > arr1 : array[1..10] of Integer; > arr2 : array[1..10] of Integer; > begin > arr1 := arr2 > > because the compiler considers arr1 and arr2 to be of different > types. > Wave's of Pitty are washing from my keyboard to yours.
From: Peter Pentchev Date: 20:10 on 18 Aug 2005 Subject: Re: Delphi's Type-Bondage --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 02:31:27PM -0700, Robert G. Werner wrote: > Phil!Gregory wrote: > [snip] > > Go, Delphi, giving me the worst of all possible worlds. > >=20 > >=20 > >  To the point where this is illegal code: > >=20 > > var > > arr1 : array[1..10] of Integer; > > arr2 : array[1..10] of Integer; > > begin > > arr1 :=3D arr2 > >=20 > > because the compiler considers arr1 and arr2 to be of different > > types. > >=20 > Wave's of Pitty are washing from my keyboard to yours. Well, at least it's a good thing those aren't waves ot pithy ;) G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev firstname.lastname@example.org email@example.com firstname.lastname@example.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 "yields falsehood, when appended to its quotation." yields falsehood, when = appended to its quotation. --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDBN0i7Ri2jRYZRVMRAim7AKC6d75W62lxCMNdizLcDgZN0s8aWwCeN6Z5 89G+BWYZdMrqZgqcL6OP2Nc= =igtf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS--
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